WELCOME TO DEBATE GATE


The thread where we can share, discuss, and respectfully argue each other.
I thrive on debate. Heated discussion, passion? What could go wrong?
WELL, A LOT ACTUALLY. Which is why I’m laying ground rules now.

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1) You acknowledge when you post your position here, it is open for anyone to respond to.

2) No Ad Hominem period(No, saying “My argument isn’t that she is stupid. My argument is detailed, but she is also stupid.” Kinda BS okay? No tearing people down PERIOD.)

3)All other fallacies use at your discretion, but others are allowed to call you out on them (r e s p e c t f u l l y). You can read about fallacies here: (Click) or you can watch a video on fallacies here: (Click) Video I haven’t watched so if it sucks I am sorry, please supplement me a better one.

4) Understand within yourself the difference between heated and flaming

5) Understand within yourself if the topic maybe too personal for you to be able to discuss back and forth. You’re not a lesser person for being able to say “I’m passionate about this, but I know if someone disagrees with me, I won’t sleep okay tonight.” Try to gauge the topic before participating in it. Your wellbeing comes first.

6) Objectively HATEFUL opinions and arguments are the only ones forbidden.
xRacism xSexism xhomophobic etc. Any position that limits human rights ”Blacks shouldn’t vote.” “Gay marriage is wrong.” etc are prohibited. .

7) It’s important to highlight a difference of objectively hateful, and legitimate speculations. If we want a debate about feminism in modern first world, so long as parties who claim to be against it are not basing their opinions from an anti-woman standpoint, are okay to present their arguments. (I am a feminist, personally.)
No one should be accused of hate speech or misogyny or other similar terms for opinions that do not reflect intent of repressing said “group” being discussed. If their position DOES aim to repress, or go against freedoms or rights THEN it would fall into hate speech.

8) We are all different, raised different, have different cultures. Zero excuse for poor behavior, and poor behavior will not be tolerated on Voltra as a whole. However, if someone accidentally says something that is considered offensive, education is key. ALLOW back and forth discussion on the manner. We can only grow to understand each other if we let each other talk. Am I just too naively positive that most people in the world don’t go out of their way to be scummy dirt? There’s underlying themes.

9) Once a person declares they are stepping away from a discussion/debate DO NOT tag them or continue responding, unless they stepped out making “a final point”. You are allowed to argue against the final point but do not tag that person. After your final point is made, that part of the discussion is over.

10) We are all human, none of us are professionals at arguing. except me(Jk)
So let’s not hammer down and scare off someone trying to get into a discussion but doesn’t know how to share their opinion in an organized manner. Anyone of any logic level can come join the discussion, and anyone can respond- but we want to promote DISCUSSION. So try to have your responses aimed at the same level as the person you are addressing.

11) Let us joke a little. It doesn’t have to be tight ties and heels. If a meme is relevant, it’s relevant. So long as we are aiming at IDEAS and not THE PERSON.

12) Reread your own post before submitting it. Check for your own tone and make sure it is how you intended it. Naturally something is going to be misunderstood, that’s okay. We need to give everyone a chance to clarify.

Will add more rules as needed, but I think this is good for now.

There is no winners here. Because determining that would be incredibly bias, no? I just want to create a healthy environment for us to butt heads but still be able to laugh and shake it off when we all leave the thread.
You get super duper extra bonus something points though if you change my mind on something.

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Whoever feels inspired to discuss something, may do so here.
I’m not creating an opening topic purely because I am unsure of how
much this would appeal to others. If we get some fish biting the bait, then
I'll create a topic structure.

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AND OPEN

So for twitter, I see it as it's own business and entity and for that- they are allowed to make their own rules wether I agree with them or not- ya know?
They aren't the government, they aren't in charge. Just another powerhouse social media, and it's up to them how they want to run things so long as they remain within the law. I support their right to make their own rules.

As for Canada, (Is that in full effect or still just a discussion? Last I knew it was extremely divided in opinion even on the political panels.)
forcing people to use genderless pronouns is not progressive to me. I cannot see force as progressive in any context. It doesn't invite conversation,
and it makes for opportunity for people to be charged as criminals- for really just being rude-if even that.

I'm a go with the flow person. If someone told me they desired me to use a certain pronouns for them- I would try. For the sake of ease of conversation and it that quells someones anxiety- cool. But that is my personal choice. And if someone took that choice away from me, I'd be infuriated. I think government has no place to rule over established/universal language and science. If we want to create terms, go for it. Give them solid definitions. And if people wish to be called by those terms, they are free to request that. If the person they are asking doesn't want to for the reason of "stop complexing language" they should be free to make that choice.

Which is different from someone walking up to someone whom is transexual or transgendered and intentionally using the pronouns as a means to attack, condescend and invalidate the person. Violating that space and and invalidating that persons existence falls to harassment for me.

Her/she Him/he is standard speech. When asserting Ze zer zim(and likewise) or wanting they and them in contexts that have been taught to be grammatically incorrect- shouldn't be enforced. Again, if someone said "Ariel please address me as 'Ze and zis."', I'd do so. I'd be annoyed and very likely mess up one hundred times, but if it makes them feel better- fine. Do I agree that this needs to become a mandated respect either legally or culturally? No. Because it is a slippery slope without any stopping points, and I say that as someone who has met and worked with a woman needing to be referred to as Pur/Sheow as she genuinely identifies with cats. She like- acknowledged she isn't a cat. But identifies very strongly with them and believes she was reborn from a cat and will be a cat again. She'd groom herself in the breakroom licking all over herself. If you were in the stall next to her you'd hear her kicking at the floor after going to the bathroom like flicking litter back into the box. I see this as mentally ill. I see this as someone who is a very nice person, but needs help and guidance so that she can function in society. She hissed at my other coworker. This is an extreme example but a literal one.
I don't want government telling us that everyone around her needs to call her Pur/Sheow or else it is a hate crime. It's absurd and enables her delusions that hse objectively needs help for. Forcing this stops the conversation of getting her help if we all need to tolerate she isn't male or female but cat. (Cat is not a gender but when we say gender is infinite and people can be anything this can be dangerous TO the sufferer.)

More so I thimk like:

>Do I think a government should intervene with any businesses terms of service that doesnt violate any laws?: Absolutely, not.

>Do I think we need better laws concerning monopolies and additionally excessively horded wealth? Yes. I support tax brackets as well.

Without proper legal definitions being discussed & established- this kinda thing won't cease.