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@Another Movie Addict: I believe the entire build up with the potential army was wasted when Spike ended up taking out all the ubervamps with the amulet.

Then there was Willow and Kennedy. I recently read a comment somewhere that fans were pretty pissed off that the writers moved Willow on to another relationship so soon after Tara's death.

Spike's spotlighting as a rapist turned victim and hero was also quite unpopular.

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@Angelus: That rape shit never should've happened. Joss Whedon wanted people to stop liking Spike, and to like Angel. Sole reason for doing that little bit of stupid. Why not let Spike continue on a redemption path without that? Willow is a piece of shit, and gets so much worse in the comics.

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i cant wait to finish watching this playthrough :)))))))))))
i cant stand this person and i wish i just went ahead and bought the game myself

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@Another Movie Addict: Interesting, I didn't realize Spike's character had been manipulated to encourage more attention to Angel.
Personally, I didn't require another character to look bad in comparison. I've always preferred Angel. Or can't you tell? :vanora_smirk:

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@Angelus: Spike's character got manipulated mostly, because we weren't supposed to ever like him for any reason. So they had to remind us he wasn't a good guy. But like...neither was Angel before he got his soul back.

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@Another Movie Addict: True, Angelus was worse than Spike.
Although it's never implied that he was a rapist on top of a torturer, he no doubt was considering his human past as a manwhore.
Cordy/Angel fanfics capture that so beautifully.

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@Angelus: To me it was implied that Angelus probably was based on what he did to the crazy chick, what was her name, Drusilla. Spike was never a rapist until season 6 and 7 when they forced that back story on him so we'd stop liking him.

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@Another Movie Addict: Correct Drusilla was Angelus's first childe whom he drove mad before he turned her.
I don't recall the backstory as told on the show but Drusilla's Wikia article doesn't say that he raped her but that he screwed Darla in front of her just before turning her.

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@Angelus: That's not any better though. Which brings me to my main point. Why are we supposed to hate Spike so much, and sympathize with Angel?

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@Another Movie Addict: Perhaps it does make some semblance of sense because the whole vampire with a soul seeking redemption angle was preferred to be a one-vampire angle.
It really gets farfetched with more than one.
However, they shit that bed but good when they gave Spike a soul.

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@Angelus: More or less, I think they just lost the plot of it.
Side fact. Spike's actor James Marsters has a band and is a very good singer.

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@Another Movie Addict: Oh I am aware that he has an awesome voice from 'Once More with Feeling', his and Giles' are my favorite numbers.
Anthony Head is also a musician in RL.

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@Angelus: I really enjoyed Anthony Head's cover of Every Move, made it a lot less creepy and stalkery. He was a lot of fun in Repo: The Genetic Opera.
Marster's band is called Ghost of the Robot, and I have all their albums. <3

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@Another Movie Addict: I've not listened to either of them outside BtVS, I'll have to remedy that.
I was mesmerized the first time Head sang on BtVS.

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@Angelus: Oh oh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKgVln8XmuE

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@Another Movie Addict: Wow lol. Trippy seeing him in that getup.

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@Angelus: He is a very interesting man in real life.

Lol this conversation was great. Usually the Angel vs Riley vs Spike (well Angel vs Spike for us) tends to get pretty nasty. Oh. Despite my defense of Spike, I'm not a Spike/Buffy shipper or an Angel/Buffy shipper. I feel all three relationships were incredibly unhealthy.

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